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Growth or Yield for Retirement Income?

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Growth or Yield?

Since Jack Bogle came up with the idea, it’s been difficult to beat a market index portfolio for total return. This approach can work well over decades of saving & investing for retirement. But we can feel differently about things as we get older. After a lifetime of picking up a regular paycheque, we’d really like a regular paycheque in retirement too, eh? And if there isn’t a nice pension ready to deliver that paycheque, income investing might have appeal.

Interest rates & bond yields have declined over the past couple of decades, so not much income to be had there. Even old-fashioned dividends have declined, particularly in the US equity market, as valuations increased. Some years ago, fund companies realised the boomer retirement market was in search of bigger income streams. In response, they created covered call funds with higher distribution yields. More recently, fund creators are adding some leverage. This not only boosts the distribution yield, but it also boosts the potential to recover the some of the return that covered call writing tends to lop off. Here’s one example of how this might work …

This is a simple comparison between HYLD (Hamilton Enhanced U.S. Covered Call ETF) & VSP (Vanguard S&P 500 Index® ETF). Hamilton describes HYLD as having an “overall sector mix broadly similar to the S&P 500®”. Since it’s hedged back to the Canadian dollar, we are comparing it to VSP, from Vanguard Canada, which is also hedged. The equivalents from iShares (XSP) & BMO (ZUE) would also work for this. HYLD has only been around since February 2022, so it’s far too short a time to say how it will fare over the long-term. For this exercise, I trimmed off the first year’s performance for HYLD. Because it contained some third party funds that might have impacted performance. These were gradually replaced by Hamilton’s own funds & performance improved. Though it shortens the timeline, I think it is a fairer comparison for guesstimating what it could look like going forward.

With all dividends & distributions reinvested from March 2023 up to July 25th, 2025, the result sees VSP compounding at a shade over 21.6% annually & HYLD comes in at 20.9%. Over that time HYLD actually took the lead occasionally but, for the most part, they tracked very closely together. I think it’s fair to call it a tie. For a $100k investment, VSP would have grown to about $160.5k, while HYLD would have turned into about $158.2k. In contrast, the yield from VSP is only about 1%, while HYLD is currently throwing off almost 13%. Despite the huge difference in yield, the total return is virtually identical.

Each investing strategy brings its own unique challenges for a retiree. The “growth” investor has to decide how many shares to sell to augment the income. The “income” investor has to decide how much of the distribution should be reinvested to ensure the success of the portfolio into the future. That’s a bit of a challenge for either one, so we’ll start by paying out $1,000.00 a month. That’s a simple annual withdrawal rate of 12% based on the starting value. And, to keep pace with inflation, we’ll adjust the income stream over time. Since the annualised growth rates were over 20% for both funds, that sounds reasonably conservative, eh? With this arrangement, both funds deliver an identical income stream of just over $29k to the investors over the almost two & a half year period. After all withdrawals, HYLD has an end value of $122.2k, with $124.2k in VSP. Again, little to no difference. This is a great outcome for both investing strategies.

Along with a great monthly cheque, the other important thing here is that the remaining value of both portfolios, after all withdrawals, is well up from the original $100k invested. Using the Bank of Canada’s inflation calculator, a portfolio value of $100k at the start of 2023 would equate to a value of about $107.5k in 2025. Since both funds are well ahead of this number by the end of the comparison, that bodes well. In fact, we could have started with a $1,400.00 dollar monthly withdrawal & the end values of both funds would have been in line with the inflation adjusted portfolio value needed for the future. But my crystal ball was broken back in 2023, so I took a safer path! 😜
That larger withdrawal amount would have been a withdrawal rate closer to 17%. Wow!

Some huge words of caution about this example: 12% is not a typical withdrawal rate over the course of a 30 year retirement. High yield percentages can not automatically be used as a withdrawal rate either. It may be possible for a time, but we also need to keep an eye on the underlying share price. And on the trajectory of the income stream. Is it going up or down? Are we keeping up with inflation? Unfortunately, we have to plan for an uncertain future. We can’t depend on the markets delivering consistently incredible returns over a long retirement timeline. Indeed returns are very uncertain over any future timeline, long or short. Look at the total return profile of your portfolio, not just the yield. In this case, there are older S&P 500 Index® funds that can be back-tested to show how precarious retirement life can be. At times, withdrawal rates much closer to 4% were required. It will be interesting to see if some of the newer funds can do better.

There are some very good reasons that the 4% Rule (of Thumb!) was used as a baseline for evaluating retirement plans. These days, a financial planner will use some pretty sophisticated software to plot out what’s possible for a given set of circumstances & predictions. In addition, the plan may produce higher or lower income streams based on individual investor choices. Financial plans should be reviewed regularly. Each new year starts with the new return estimates. Along with age revisions (money needed for fewer years with each passing year!), revised needs & wants, etc. And, of course, the current portfolio value is now the new portfolio value for planning the rest of the retirement journey. An investor that is willing & able to tolerate large income swings from one year to another may be able to sail closer to the wind on higher withdrawals. As would a retiree with a large guaranteed income stream from pensions, for example. Without that safety net, it can be far more challenging. The superb performance of the US markets for the past decade or more might have us believing that there are unicorns & leprechauns underneath all the rainbows & sunbeams. Tread very carefully. For most of us, it’s likely worth shelling out for a professional financial planning review to see what’s possible. The good & the bad.

One last thing: regardless of which strategy you favour, it’s usually worth listening to the other point of view. I know both growth & income investors that are killing it with their chosen strategy. Then there are some that aren’t quite sure how well, or how poorly, they are doing. We can all learn something new, eh? There may even be circumstances, both data driven & psychological, that encourage using a combination of strategies to navigate retirement. It’s usually worth taking the time to see a different perspective. And it might help to Benchmark Your DIY Portfolio against one of those recommended by experts & professionals in the field. Knowing how your portfolio behaves may help with engagement during the financial planning conversion.

Happy retirement spending!

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Important – this is not investing, tax or legal advice, it is for entertainment & conversation-provoking purposes only. Data may not be accurate. Check the current & historical data carefully at any company’s or provider’s website, particularly where a specific product, stock or fund is mentioned. Opinions are my own & I regularly get things wrong, so do your own due diligence & seek professional advice before investing your money.

DIY Investing or Work With a Financial Advisor?

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Good old-fashioned financial advice.
But at what price?

DIY investing can drive you a little crazy. Do you like the crazy? Are you enjoying the work that comes with portfolio management? Some of us do! But it gets a little more challenging when we need to withdraw money during retirement. And will a surviving spouse be able to carry on with the crazy portfolio in the event the “money manager” departs first? Are you a good DIY investor? Or would you do better with an advisor?

There is an easy way to figure out if you should consider paying a fee to have a professional manage your portfolio & the retirement cashflow stream for you.
And it’s this …

Compare your DIY portfolio performance against an equivalent ETF. We all need a “benchmark” to check our portfolio against. If you’re 100% in globally diversified stocks, for example, compare your portfolio performance to that of one of the XEQT, ZEQT, VEQT all-equity ETFs. If you’re in a 60/40 stock & fixed income mix, compare your DIY portfolio performance against XBAL, ZBAL, or VBAL. Are you buying a mix of Canadian & US large-cap stocks? Then compare that to an appropriately allocated portfolio of VFV & XIU ETFs. A portfolio filled with way too many stocks & ETFs might also be usefully compared against one of the all-in-ones. If your portfolio performance lags its benchmark by 1% or more, you might want to consider handing it over to a financial manager.

As an aside, since some of these all-in-one funds are so new, you may need to break them down into their constituent ETFs to usefully use them for benchmarking over longer time periods. The longer the history, the more useful the insights.

I’m using 1% here because many financial advisors charge an annual 1% of portfolio value as a fee for managing a portfolio. Is that fee worth it? Get the advisor’s performance history & compare that to an equivalent benchmark ETF too. Their recommended portfolio should only lag the return performance of those ETFs by the 1% fee. If they meet that requirement and if your self-managed portfolio was lagging by more than 1%, you could be getting better results by paying the advisor the 1% fee. As a bonus, you’ll have less work & an advisor who will tell you that everything will be okay when the markets are imploding. Hand-holding is included in their fee! For retirees, the advisor may also plan the income strategy & tax-efficiently manage the cashflow for you, across all accounts. You might even get some estate planning advice along the way. If you have a good advisor, they can deliver a lot of value. Even if they underperform the market average by the amount of the fee they charge.

Can you find an advisor that will consistently beat, after fees, the market or benchmark returns? I don’t know, but be sure to review their data supporting this opinion very carefully. And not necessarily against the benchmark provided by the advisor.

Unfortunately, it can be pretty challenging to tell if an advisor is any good. And those investors who are most challenged by DIY investing will also be challenged by the process of choosing a good advisor. We all like to believe we have the best doctor taking care of our health. In reality, most of them will be closer to average than exceptional. Fortunately, there are minimum standards & qualifications that we hope will ensure an adequate level of service from these professionals. The same is only variably true for financial advisors. Because the qualifications for calling yourself a financial advisor in Canada are variable. Some advisors are closer to being a product salesperson. And while some feel or profess a fiduciary responsibility, it is not a legal duty or obligation for many. They cannot just take your money & head off to a beach somewhere, but they may be putting their own, or their company’s, interests just slightly ahead of yours when it comes to investment choices. Even if only subconsciously.

Of course, a good salesperson will make you feel better about the relationship you are getting into. And that’s not a bad thing. But you also need an advisor who can at least deliver average market returns for a broadly diversified portfolio. Minus the fees. And you do need to know exactly how much you’re paying for whatever services & products are being recommended! There may be advisory fees and product fees, check carefully.

If you are a balanced 60/40 style investor, what would you think of paying an advisor to put all your money into ZBAL? Or maybe 60% into XEQT, with the other 40% into a couple of bond & HISA-type ETFs? We sometimes resent paying for simplicity. Advisors know this & are less likely to present you with such a simple portfolio solution. After all, if things are that simple, why would we need an advisor!
Yet, in DIY mode, we sometimes struggle to follow the simple path ourselves. Instead, we prefer to work hard creating a portfolio that underperforms!

Of course, that simple solution might not be the ideal path for everyone. There may well be good reasons for some investors to pursue a lower volatility strategy, a higher income strategy, or whatever. But it is still useful to compare the total return on our own portfolios against those of low-cost, market index ETFs.

Robo-advisors are trying to bridge the gap between the advisory space & DIY, typically for about a 0.5% fee premium, in addition to ETF fees. I love the idea but it feels like you’re paying the added fee for the robo to pick the same ETFs that are in the all-in-one ETFs. Like some human services, they can fancy it up with one or two more esoteric picks. So you feel like you’re getting something extra for your money. But you generally won’t get the more valuable hand-holding that comes with the more expensive advisory services. Maybe AI will help with this down the road. But AI has been around for a lot longer than current market noise suggests & it hasn’t happened yet. Some robo-services do include human phone support. That might develop & grow into something more valuable going forward.

Isn’t there scope for fee reduction on the human advisory side too? Or for a service with a far more rapidly declining tiered fee-structure for larger portfolios? Are there any low-cost advisors out there? Shouldn’t there be more advisors competing with the 0.5% fees of the robo-advisors. Simpler portfolio advice & management should come with lower fees, no? I’m okay with portfolios constructed with low cost index funds. For some investors, the greater value may be more in managing asset location (what ETF goes in which account) & retirement cashflow. Some advisors include financial planning, a valuable service too. But can it be done for a 0.5% fee? Or less?

I realise that someone else’s job always looks easier than it really is from the outside. But I think financial advisory (& real estate) fees are very expensive in Canada. Particularly for the cookie-cutter portfolios offered by some companies. I’m totally okay with the right cookie-cutter portfolio, I just don’t want to pay through the nose for it. High fees are an ignorance premium being levied on a population that didn’t get this kind of knowledge coming through our educational system. And our schools still don’t prepare kids for the digital environment that now makes it far easier for the DIY investor to learn things the hard way. Fees will likely drop over time, as education & AI combine to work at improving the competitive landscape. Though in traditional Canadian fashion, it’ll probably drag out for a long time yet. And some of us older folk might not live long enough to benefit! 🤪

Regardless of the path we choose, it’s worth occasionally benchmarking our portfolio performance against a low-cost, well-diversified, ETF portfolio. One that approximately matches our portfolio’s asset allocation. Benchmarking can provide insight on how decent a job we’re doing with our investing strategy. And if we’re not doing such a good job ourselves, it may be worth talking to a financial advisor. But if you still find the idea of paying an advisor distasteful, then you’d better figure out how to learn to do it better on your own. Or maybe just use the benchmark ETFs instead!

If you want to learn more about saving & investing from the ground up, I’d like to suggest that you check out Double Double Your Money, available at your local Amazon store.

Important – this is not investing, tax or legal advice, it is for entertainment & conversation-provoking purposes only. Data may not be accurate. Check the current & historical data carefully at any company’s or provider’s website, particularly where a specific product, stock or fund is mentioned. Opinions are my own & I regularly get things wrong, so do your own due diligence & seek professional advice before investing your money.