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US or Canadian – VOO or VFV?

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The Currency Balance

Which currency should we invest in, Canadian or US dollars?

In this example, we’ll compare Vanguard’s US listed & US dollar denominated ETF (VOO), against the Canadian listed & Canadian dollar denominated equivalent (VFV) from Vanguard Canada. Imagine investing $10k back in 2012 in each of these ETFs. Conveniently, the Loonie & the greenback were approximately equal back then. One Canadian dollar was worth one US dollar. That means the $10k investment was of equal value, regardless of the currency.

With all dividends reinvested, here’s what the performance has looked like since then …

VOO vs VFV 2012 to 2025

By March 2025, VOO grew from $10k to $52k, in American dollars. While VFV soared to about $73k, in Canadian dollars. VFV looks like the big winner. But it’s not.
Back then the currencies were at par. By the end of this chart, it costs $1.44 Canadian to buy one US dollar. If we sold off VFV at the end & converted the proceeds to US dollars, we’d have a bit less than $51k American. pretty close to the US dollar value of VOO. Similarly, if we sold all our VOO holdings & converted those US dollars to loonies, we’d have almost $75k Canadian. Bottom line is that they’re about the same. We’re only looking at about a fifteen hundred dollar (Canadian) difference in total return, with the American listed VOO coming out slightly ahead.

VOO should come out slightly ahead. There a few reasons for that, including the following …

1. It has the lower fund fee of 0.03%, compared to the 0.09% fee of VFV in Canada.
2. While it all happens inside the ETF, VFV loses a little of the dividend payout due to the 15% dividend withholding tax that the IRS (the US equivalent to the CRA) collects. This happens regardless of the account the Canadian listed ETF is held inside.
3. Though ETFs can do currency exchange at better rates than the typical DIY investor, there might be some additional currency exchange drag on VFV too.

If the fund fees were the same, if currency exchange didn’t have any fees, & if there were no dividend withholding taxes, the performance of the two ETFs would be practically identical. The apparent outperformance of VFV in the chart above is mainly due to the declining value of the Canadian dollar against the US dollar over that 12 year period. Both funds grew similarly in real value (as they should, since they both hold the same stocks). But VFV grew “extra” Canadian dollars over that time, in line with the increasing real value of the stocks inside the EFT. This compensated for the Canadian dollar falling in value against the US dollar. If the reverse had happened, & the Canadian dollar had gained strength against the US dollar over this time, VFV’s numbers would have lagged VOO on the chart. It would have “looked” worse. But, once you convert the currency in either direction, both would have looked pretty much the same again.
That said, there are some pros & cons with either choice.

If you have a bunch of US dollars already & you want to invest these greenbacks inside an RRSP account, VOO would be the better choice. It may not always be this way going forward but, under the current agreement between Canada & the US (& as it was over this timeline), the RRSP account shelters the investor from the dividend withholding tax that would otherwise apply to US based ETFs. On the flip side, if you don’t already have US dollars, you’ll have to pay currency conversion fees. Or learn the Norbert’s Gambit technique to minimise the currency conversion costs. If you want to avoid that currency conversion work, the outcome resulting from sticking with VFV is still pretty good. Particularly when investing outside a registered retirement account, where neither fund can avoid the withholding tax. That would bring the results a little closer together. It is worth noting that the bigger the investment, & the longer the time invested, the greater the potential impact. The $1,500 difference on this $10k investment example, would have been $15,000 on a 100k investment. You can do the math for a million dollar investment as your portfolio grows! And, for a more precise comparison, you’ll need to figure out the impact of currency exchange costs, back & forth, on the end result too.

I’ve ignored some other critically important tax wrinkles (there are some potentially significant exposures here) that come with foreign investing during the course of this comparison, so be sure to consult a tax specialist if you want to invest on exchanges outside of Canada. There are tax reporting requirements with the CRA above a certain value of foreign owned investments, for example. There are also potential IRS tax reporting requirements. And perhaps even US tax liabilities along the way. There’s a lot to learn. And if you don’t know, you’d be well advised to check with a professional advisor to help you figure out your US & foreign investing strategy. In addition, the outcomes may require the inclusion of more than just stocks, bonds, & ETFs. Any additional foreign property, like a holiday home outside Canada, for example, will impact your tax situation. Talk to an expert!

On the other hand, there is nothing wrong with investing in Canadian listed ETFs while you learn more about investing on foreign exchanges & in other currencies. It is a little less work to stick with the loonie. And the end result here was not too far behind the American equivalent. Many investors stick with Canadian listed ETFs, while still getting the necessary foreign exposure. There are also currency hedged ETFs that can help offset those currency fluctuations. But that’s a conversation for a another day.

Just remember that things would begin to reverse in the above chart, if the loonie were to gain in value against the US dollar going forward. In other words, VOO would then start looking better when charted against VFV. In the first 6 months of 2025, for example, VOO is up about 5%. While VFV is essentially flat. The real value of both is still close to the same. But the numbers are different due to a weakening US dollar this year, making VOO look better over this different timeline. This is more about how the numbers look, it’s not that the value is substantially different. Looks can be deceiving, eh!

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Important – this is not investing, tax or legal advice, it is for entertainment & conversation-provoking purposes only. Data may not be accurate. Check the current & historical data carefully at any company’s or provider’s website, particularly where a specific product, stock or fund is mentioned. Opinions are my own & I regularly get things wrong, so do your own due diligence & seek professional advice before investing your money.

When Stock Charts Lie

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Picking Winners from Stock Charts? Don’t do that!

I’m not a very sophisticated investor. When it comes to choosing between two stocks or ETFs, I like to look at pictures. Let me use a couple of funds from one of my favourite fund companies, Vanguard, by way of example. Look at the chart below, which fund would you choose?
Seems like a no-brainer, it’s the blue one all the way, eh? Over the course of 9 years or so, Fund A has outperformed Fund B. Fund B managed to turn 100k into about 250k. But Fund A turned that same 100k into almost 300k. All these charts are with dividends reinvested.

Let’s look at one more, this time from another of my favourite fund companies, BMO Global Asset Management. Similar story here, Fund X is crushing Fund Y. While Fund Y turned 100k into more than 250k, Fund X managed to return over 325k during that same time. Another no-brainer choice, eh?

No, it’s not quite as simple as that.
In fact, the ETFs used in each of these charts are, for all intents & purposes, identical.
So why are the charts suggesting otherwise?

The difference mainly comes from the currency of purchase & the differences in exchange rates over time.
Fund B in the Vanguard chart is VIG, an American-listed dividend appreciation fund & Fund A is a Canadian-list fund, VGG, which only holds … wait for it … VIG, the exact fund that plotted the chart for Fund B. VIG is purchased in US dollars, while VGG is purchased in Canadian dollars.
Fund X is BMO’s Low Volatility US Equity ETF, ticker ZLU, listed on the Canadian exchange. While Fund Y is the US dollar version of exactly the same fund, ticker ZLU-U, also listed on the Canadian exchange. Yes, you can buy funds on the Canadian exchange in US dollars. The apparent outperformance of the funds listed in Canadian dollars is due to the general decline of the value of Canadian dollar against the greenback over those years. The value of the companies in both funds is identical but the numerical value in US or Canadian dollars changes with changes in the currency exchange rate. Back in 2013 you could swap a loonie for about 97 cents American. Today, it’s about 74 cents. That makes for a bigger number in Canadian dollars at the end of the chart. But the relative value is far closer than the charts suggest. If you were cashing in your portfolio to buy a condo in Florida today, your loonies would be exchanged for fewer US dollars than in 2013. Nobody can predict the future of the exchange rate any better than the direction of the stock market but there’s another way to think about it. When the Canadian dollar is strong, Canadians love to go cross-border shopping. Same thing with buying American equities! 😜

So, if you need this kind of market exposure in your portfolio, which funds should you buy?

Simple question but there are a lot of things going on here so the answer is not so simple. The American VIG comes with a 0.06% fee, while the Canadian version charges 0.30%. The Canadian fee is 5 times larger. Though it still looks small, small fees can make a difference over time. The BMO funds both have an MER of 0.33%, so that’s a wash. As Canadians, we’re used to paying more than our American cousins for a lot of things &, unfortunately, that includes fund fees. So why not buy the American-listed fund instead? Again, not so simple. Doing that involves currency exchange fees. Along with the potential for additional tax reporting & liability concerns, of particular concern with larger holdings. To top it off, there are foreign withholding taxes to consider. These can be protected by collecting dividends from American-listed equities inside an RRSP or RRIF, they can be offset in a taxable account, but they are not recoverable in a TFSA. Nor within any tax-sheltered account if the American dividends are coming from a Canadian-listed ETF holding American dividend paying companies. These are all topics for another day but the message for today is this … don’t make your investing decisions based on a random chart you see online. And especially not on the charts above. It’s just not that simple.

Now, you shouldn’t let this paralyse you either. If you’re just starting out, there is nothing wrong with sticking with the path of least resistance. There are no guarantees it will be the same going forward but if past market performance is anything to go by, having an allocation to Canadian-listed Canadian-dollar funds that track an American index should serve you well. If you are saving & investing small amounts regularly, & if you expect to be doing that for many years, you can dollar-cost-average your way through the fluctuations of the currency exchange rate, in addition to those of the market. It’s usually not wise to wait for the “right” currency exchange rate. A lot of market growth potential can be missed while waiting for the right time to invest. If you happen to get a bonus cheque that you want to invest in US equities right when the Canadian dollar is at par, that’s great. Nothing wrong with a bit of luck either! There are other reasons why we might prefer to hold a position in US-listed or US-denominated equities but, in general, any of these funds might work for a part of the US market exposure in a portfolio.
As your portfolio grows, you will almost certainly need some professional advice down the road. Especially when it comes to taxes.

Let me modify the title a bit here: the charts are not purveying lies but they can be deceptive. Do not rely on simple charts to tell the whole story. Charts are more like a good mystery novel. There are so many nuances that you need to dig deeper in order to figure out the plot before you get to the end. And even when you do that, you should always try to prepare for a surprise ending!

Important – this is not investing, tax or legal advice, it is for entertainment & educational purposes only. Opinion are my own, do your own due diligence & seek professional advice before investing your money. Sometimes, I get stuff wrong! Please let me know if you spot any errors, of commission or omission, along the way.